On 4/16/11 10:59 AM, "Owen DeLong" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Mike Horwath wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow
>>>> on their own?
>>>> It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long
>>>> view.
>>> 
>>> Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't
>>> connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange.
>>> There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks
>>> connected.
>> 
>> I love the 'community'.
>> 
>No sarcasm, there, right? ;-)

I actually do love the community that it can be.  Most of my sarcasm comes
from my next paragraph.

>> I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if
>> it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I
>> check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath.
>> 
>Yeah, not a particularly community-spirited attitude. I agree with you.

Right and my sarcasm should be a very big LART.

>> I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for
>>networks
>> to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months.
>> 
>Lol

Yah, I was doing the lol for a while.

>> Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally
>>for
>> the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student,
>> another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees.
>> 
>That is unfortunate. Obviously we (Hurricane Electric) feel that there is
>extensive value in connecting to various exchanges. I believe we've been
>routing traffic via MICE since shortly after our network arrived in
>Minneapolis.

Correct.

Your network was lit and very quickly you were connected.

Yet there are others, on this list, that are literally just down the aisle
and haven't connected yet.

HE deserves some kudos.  Thank you!

>> How many on this list:
>> 
>> Are connected...
>> 
>Yep... Check!
>
>> Have an Akamai cluster today...
>> 
>Uh, no comment due to NDA. (see question 4)
>
>> Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP
>> feed...
>> 
>I'm not sure I:
>	1.	Understand the question completely
>	2.	Could answer it if I did.

Ah, old ays Akamai wanted to know your blocks so they could add them to
the database.

Newish way is to do a silent BGP session with them that pushes the
networks you wish to have in their database.

When I ran the network for VISI, we were doing option #1 (site number 97!).

For ipHouse - we are doing option 2.

>> Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into
>>their
>> configuration for their Akamai cluster config...
>> 
>I think you'd like my answer if I could give it, but, it is neither yes
>nor no
>because the question doesn't fit the parameters of our particular
>situation.

Hopefully my clarification helps.

>> ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4
>> 
>> If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai
>> servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as
>>being
>> part of MICE.
>> 
>I think that's a great idea.
>
>I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared
>resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all
>of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing
>benefit to the community and to Akamai.

I'd be down with that as well.

>> And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already
>>in
>> place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have
>>in
>> my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and
>>as
>> customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about
>>it
>> and want to do something about it.
>> 
>That might also be true, it might not. I'm happy to have a more detailed
>discussion with you off-list.

Your place or mine, big boy?

>> My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but
>>as
>> one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue
>> that is of minor importance to me.
>> 
>> I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated
>>they
>> were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect.
>> 
>I agree with you 100% here.
>
>> You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing,
>> don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say
>> 'I was there when it started'?
>> 
>Yep... And if anyone connecting today can say that, I'm pretty sure that
>I can,
>too. ;-)

Beat that chest, you deserve it as one of the reps from HE.  Others from
HE on the list, here is my back clapping for you as well.

-- 
Mike Horwath      ipHouse - Welcome home!       [log in to unmask]
        The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is
        that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune

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