And then I forgot about the biggest thing that I have beat up in the last few months. Monitoring and measurement systems! I have decided that Zenoss, even with V3, is still way too much work if you aren't running one of the L systems. Way too many assumptions about SNMP OIDs and the like. New monitoring system is running in test mode now using Nagios v3 and I implemented NagiosQL to help with day to day updates (no, we don't do daily updates) so that others can help with the overall management. This is working great and production testing will start very soon. I need to work on more NRPE stuff to threshold better for items running on the servers themselves. Windows monitoring sucks overall, though. We still have Cacti up and running for our customers for doing measurement, but threshholding is ick, but it has some great features for per-user permissions and such. Again, Windows monitoring is pretty sucky. Nick and I have been futzing hard with Zabbix as well (for measurement). Much potential for an agent based system as the agents are small and unobtrusive. SNMP is ... right out unless you wish to build up a ton of templates for your *never* changing routers and switches - they just aren't dynamic enough. Thresholding is still gonna require some more work but the on the fly graphing ofyou can grab with the agent is quite handy. Unfortunately, notifications when thresholds are broken is an instant notification so transient 'issues' create quite a bit of noise still. (we are working on it) The really nice thing with Zabbix, because of the agent model, the Windows systems can now be measured as well, including things that were tough before, like disk space on that elusive L: drive. (and OpenNMS was awesome but it is too much influx, requires way too much set up - kind of like using RT as a ticket system, out of the box it does something, but if you want it to work, be prepared for a lot of time and sweat) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! [log in to unmask] The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune