So let me make one. We're working on a new product for release, is all about virtualization, and may even have some cloud aspects, but without the per hour billing side of things. Interested? Ping me off-list. (for testing, individuals are welcome to join in the beta though this is business focused in my mind) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! [log in to unmask] The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune