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IIRC, the discussions last time several years back broke down as to include colo rent costs and how much to budget for a new kit every 36 months. If you exclude rent, equipment purchase and nfp legal fees, all of the other costs are currently very small (support and ARIN fees). Support is running about 1900 Annually for 1 EX4200 and one EX4500. I'm not sure how the EX4550 is currently handled support wise. IMHO, we should budget to build a up a reserve to get to $20k in the next 12 months. I could be persuaded up or down on the number. I looked at "pizza box" 100g switches and I believe we get something into service for around 13k + support. We'd end up with 5k to cover ongoing legal and nfp accounting expenses. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Dale W. Carder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thus spake Andrew Hoyos ([log in to unmask]) on Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at > 02:35:54PM -0500: > > +1 on this. Discussing port fees is irrelevant until it’s understood > what needs to go back out opex wise (perhaps including some 5-7 year > equipment refresh, etc). I seem to recall a spreadsheet that had this > broken out at some point, floating around. > > yep, this. > > My other comment is that our org can typically pay invoices, but not make > donations nor become legal "members". Hopefully the sustainability model > could account for this. > > Dale (w/ AS3128 hat on) > > > > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Hannigan, Martin <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 > per user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess > yes. > > > > > > Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Here is a starting point for a discussion: > > >> > > >> 1Gbps $200/month > > >> 10Gbps $1000/year > > >> > > >> Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. > Whoever is active on January 1 gets a bill. > > >> > > >> All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be > disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any > time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have > historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. > > >> > > >> End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not > pay as long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by > the remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports > connecting to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 > each, this covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If > CNS has only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > > >>> I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > >>> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early > exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of > their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees > would suddenly make us golden. > > >>> > > >>> Reid > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier > this week. > > >>> > > >>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in > Seattle. > > >>> > > >>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: > > >>> > > >>> https://www.seattleix.net/join > > >>> > > >>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Jay Hanke > > >>> CTO > > >>> Neutral Path Communications > > >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > > >>> Mankato, MN 56001 > > >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile > > >>> [log in to unmask] > > >>> www.neutralpath.net > > >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Reid Fishler > > >>> Director > > >>> Hurricane Electric > > >>> +1-510-580-4178 > > >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Jay Hanke > > >>> CTO > > >>> Neutral Path Communications > > >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > > >>> Mankato, MN 56001 > > >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile > > >>> [log in to unmask] > > >>> www.neutralpath.net > > >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile [log in to unmask] www.neutralpath.net