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+1, but beyond emergencies, cover incidental meeting expenses, a small marketing budget. It would be nice to be able to pay our own way for a meeting room at the Hyatt during the MTA show if we need to. No dancing girls or fancy dinners, but some signage and/or booth banner like thing, brochures, pens, maybe some T-Shirts or other logowear (maybe a logowear store). On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Reid Fishler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The amount of money we need depends upon our success. The point right now is > that we need SOMETHING in the bank to not have to beg every time there is an > emergency. I think we are beyond that. > > Reid > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Jason Hanke <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: >> >> IIRC, the discussions last time several years back broke down as to >> include colo rent costs and how much to budget for a new kit every 36 >> months. >> >> If you exclude rent, equipment purchase and nfp legal fees, all of the >> other costs are currently very small (support and ARIN fees). >> >> Support is running about 1900 Annually for 1 EX4200 and one EX4500. I'm >> not sure how the EX4550 is currently handled support wise. >> >> IMHO, we should budget to build a up a reserve to get to $20k in the next >> 12 months. I could be persuaded up or down on the number. I looked at "pizza >> box" 100g switches and I believe we get something into service for around >> 13k + support. We'd end up with 5k to cover ongoing legal and nfp accounting >> expenses. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Dale W. Carder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Thus spake Andrew Hoyos ([log in to unmask]) on Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at >>> 02:35:54PM -0500: >>> > +1 on this. Discussing port fees is irrelevant until it’s understood >>> > what needs to go back out opex wise (perhaps including some 5-7 year >>> > equipment refresh, etc). I seem to recall a spreadsheet that had this broken >>> > out at some point, floating around. >>> >>> yep, this. >>> >>> My other comment is that our org can typically pay invoices, but not make >>> donations nor become legal "members". Hopefully the sustainability model >>> could account for this. >>> >>> Dale (w/ AS3128 hat on) >>> >>> >>> > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Hannigan, Martin <[log in to unmask]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 >>> > > per user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess >>> > > yes. >>> > > >>> > > Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <[log in to unmask]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Here is a starting point for a discussion: >>> > >> >>> > >> 1Gbps $200/month >>> > >> 10Gbps $1000/year >>> > >> >>> > >> Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. >>> > >> Whoever is active on January 1 gets a bill. >>> > >> >>> > >> All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be >>> > >> disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any time. >>> > >> Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have >>> > >> historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. >>> > >> >>> > >> End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not >>> > >> pay as long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by >>> > >> the remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports >>> > >> connecting to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, >>> > >> this covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS >>> > >> has only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: >>> > >>> I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <[log in to unmask]> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early >>> > >>> exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of >>> > >>> their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees >>> > >>> would suddenly make us golden. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Reid >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke >>> > >>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> > >>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier >>> > >>> this week. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in >>> > >>> Seattle. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://www.seattleix.net/join >>> > >>> >>> > >>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -- >>> > >>> Jay Hanke >>> > >>> CTO >>> > >>> Neutral Path Communications >>> > >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>> > >>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>> > >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile >>> > >>> [log in to unmask] >>> > >>> www.neutralpath.net >>> > >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following >>> > >>> link: >>> > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -- >>> > >>> Reid Fishler >>> > >>> Director >>> > >>> Hurricane Electric >>> > >>> +1-510-580-4178 >>> > >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following >>> > >>> link: >>> > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -- >>> > >>> Jay Hanke >>> > >>> CTO >>> > >>> Neutral Path Communications >>> > >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>> > >>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>> > >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile >>> > >>> [log in to unmask] >>> > >>> www.neutralpath.net >>> > >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following >>> > >>> link: >>> > >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> > >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> [log in to unmask] >> www.neutralpath.net >> >> ________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[log in to unmask] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================