Rough model attached. Intended to be played with and modified.
Note, I didn't increase the support costs (counted as part of opex) after
the upgrade. We should account for that but after we get a couple of 100G
going life seems easier...
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Jason Hanke <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Actually, the NFP process and equipment costs are by far the largest
> killers.
>
> MICE has less than $2500 in annual opex if you exclude the NFP legal fees.
> We almost had to stop adding members last year due to running out of ports.
> All of the other things have been inkind (printing/pins/website etc)
>
> Keep in mind that we haven't had a checkbook since 2014.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Hannigan, Martin <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 per
>> user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess yes.
>>
>> Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <[log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a starting point for a discussion:
>>
>> 1Gbps $200/month
>> 10Gbps $1000/year
>>
>> Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever
>> is active on January 1 gets a bill.
>>
>> All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be
>> disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any
>> time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have
>> historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't.
>>
>> End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as
>> long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the
>> remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting
>> to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this
>> covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has
>> only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote:
>>
>> I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early
>>> exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of
>>> their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees
>>> would suddenly make us golden.
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in
>>>> Seattle.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.seattleix.net/join
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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