Thanks for that input Jonathan!
Steve
From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Jonathan Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Jumbo Frames
Hey Jamison,
The consensus view is this: 1500 Bytes is the MTU of the internet, and MTU1500 has so much inertia that you or me or all this mailing list together could not change it.
The sages also tell us that PMTUd--path MTU discovery--does not work with any reliability and thus does not work in reality. Things like NAT, firewalls and deep packet inspectors routinely break ICMP of all kinds.
Most crushingly for an IX: there's no such thing as layer-2 MTU discovery. In the same L2 domain, all routers need to use the same MTU, or stuff will break (Jeremy pointed to one example of failing BGP message exchange). If I set my router to MTU1500, and you set yours to MTU9000, how would we ever know? This is a misconfiguration, so what could coordinate those values on an IX?
Thus, we should all use MTU 1500.
We could have a separate VLAN that's MTU 9000 where all the routers connected would set their interface to MTU 9000. The routers wouldn't have any MTU breakage over that L2 domain. SIX does this, and it seems the best and most rational way to allow MTU 9000 for those who want it.
Finally, views do differ, i'm sure others have opinions that do not match mine.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Jonathan Stewart
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On Fri., 2021-06-18 1:09 p.m., Jamison Masters wrote:
Hi all,
We are migrating our connections to 10G, and I'm wondering if I should request jumbo frames.
I'm trying for due diligence, and apologize if this is a rudimentary question. Nanog searches do not have clear recommendations, or maybe I did not search enough.
My experience with jumbo frames indicates to me that I should be safe with 9000 byte frames, but there could be PMTU discovery and fragmentation issues during transit or on the receiving side.
Would you or would you not enable 9K frames with IXP and ISP connections? I just do not have enough experience in this regard, so I am thankful for any thoughts here.
My inclination is to go with 9K frames, yet I do not want to deal with ancillary issues that I cannot anticipate, discern, or troubleshoot - especially during a cut.
Any experience from the group is appreciated.
Thank you,
Jamison Masters
Verus Corporation
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