It is always good to have the goal to "suck less". lol
Ben Wiechman
Director of IP Strategy and Engineering
320.247.3224 | [log in to unmask]
Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:15 PM Miles McCredie <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> FWIW, I reached out to a contact with Amazon Prime about the TeleGeography
> survey and got the following response:
>
> =====
> Thanks for letting me know about the MICE-DISCUSS discussion of Thursday
> Night Football. Yes, Prime Video has contracted TeleGeography to survey a
> group of ISPs including some MICE participants. Prime Video is working
> with AWS and a number of CDN partners to acquire edge capacity for Thursday
> Night Football. We are trying to understand from the ISP perspective how
> those CDNs deliver traffic to ISP customers in an effort to serve traffic
> as efficiently as possible and ensure a quality customer experience. Any
> ISP that want to validate a contact from TeleGeograpy or any other contact
> related to Prime Video can reach us via the alias
> [log in to unmask] This survey only covers a subset of US
> ASNs, so networks that were not surveyed should feel free to reach out to
> us and we can provide additional information regarding our plans for
> Thursday Night Football.
> ====
>
> I don't have any visibility into who reads the
> [log in to unmask] alias so no idea whether it is a useful path
> for following up on peering or not. My guess is that the regional alias
> listed in peeringDB, [log in to unmask] is the best route. I have
> been told by a couple folks reasonably close to the peering team at Amazon
> that they realize that they have sucked at communication and hope to suck
> less based on comments from 3 individuals over the last 9 months or so.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> Miles McCredie
> Network Engineer - Architect
> Office: 6052755192
> [log in to unmask]
> Midco.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Michael
> Hare
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:31 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO.
> Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
> know the content is safe.
>
> Sorry Ben, I had read the msg as text not HTML. I see the table now,
> thanks.
>
> -Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Ben
> > Wiechman
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:26 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon
> > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> >
> > I shot over what was provided through the survey/questions. If anyone
> > has additional or more detailed information I'd be interested in it as
> well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben Wiechman
> >
> > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering
> >
> >
> > 320.247.3224 | [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
> > > g.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7CMiles.McCredie%40MIDCO.COM%7C279a3332ccc84
> > 1571e7808d9da977f97%7Cf70525877c584eacaec96b5a66be0433%7C1%7C1%7C63778
> > 1166503630905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu
> > MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=64d7RIbI4vG%2FjCKS
> > E6YCIEDT2lrfV4HMDTwV%2BBORNL0%3D&reserved=0>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:17 AM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc-
> > [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask]> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anyone willing to share which CDNs either publicly or privately?
> > AS3128 peers with 16509 bilateral over MICE and we haven't seen the
> below.
> > We are eyeballs but are R&E. I'd like to make sure my ducks are in a
> row.
> >
> > -Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]
> > > On Behalf Of Ben
> > > Wiechman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:05 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> > Amazon
> > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> > >
> > > They didn't indicate that this was confidential, nor do we
> > have an NDA, so...
> > >
> > > This is a snippet of the information.
> > >
> > > CDN Partners
> > > 32 Prime Video uses multiple CDN partners to deliver our live
> > content. We
> > > deploy a predetermined configuration giving weights to
> > > 33 each of the CDNs based on their reported capacity, but the
> > actual live
> > > streams delivery is determined by performance. We work
> > > 34 with our ISP partners to validate the available capacity so
> > that we do not
> > > create undue stress on the ISP network during peak
> > > 35 events. The use of multiple CDNs with flexible weights
> > provides us the
> > > ability to dynamically shift traffic in case of performance
> > > 36 degradation, or outages within a single CDN.
> > > 37 The table below summarizes the CDN partners we plan to use
> > (subject to
> > > adjustment), and the function and protocol supported
> > > 38 by each CDN. The actual traffic load on each CDN partner is
> > based on their
> > > performance and available capacity.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ben Wiechman
> > >
> > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering
> > >
> > >
> > > 320.247.3224 | [log in to unmask]
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
> > <
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> > > <
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> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:00 AM Steve Savoy
> > <[log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’…………
> 😉
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]
> >
> > > > [log in to unmask]> > > On Behalf Of Dean Bahls
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask]>
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football
> from
> > > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve
> gotten
> > > several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced
> > by Light
> > > Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research
> > firm contracted
> > > by multiple companies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE
> needs to
> > be
> > > prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: MICE Discuss <[log in to unmask]
> >
> > > > [log in to unmask]> > > On Behalf Of
> > > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask]>
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from
> > Amazon
> > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the
> opportunity
> > to talk
> > > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such
> info...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll
> > > <[log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David and Anthony,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography
> in
> > > Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video
> > (APV) to
> > > survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime
> > Video’s exclusive
> > > presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting
> > with the
> > 2022 NFL
> > > season.
> > >
> > > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video
> > > provides more detail about their network planning initiative.
> > >
> > >
> > > To help avoid congestion on your network
> during
> > > upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they
> > may better
> > > understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage
> > area, CDN
> > > provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Are you the correct contact person within
> your
> > > network operations team to respond to these questions? If not,
> > can you
> > > please direct me to the right person within your network
> > operations team?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you have any questions, feel free to
> contact me via
> > > email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your cooperation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nataliya Coll
> > > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia
> > > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica,
> Inc.
> > > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360
> > > Washington, DC 20005 USA
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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