Tell that to Europe, where the market has been changed by some of the
LARGER guys.
Reid
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:27 PM Aaron Wendel <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I think the landscape of peering is changing. Traditionally peering
> enables lower latency and better performance by keeping local traffic
> local. While that's still the case, I see more and more people looking
> at remote peering as a way to gain more granularity in traffic
> engineering. There's a large demand in the KC market for peering
> outside the market for just that.
>
> SIX is just about up in KC (F You Lumen... 6 months to do an XC in your
> own facility?), DE-CIX is coming to KC (active but not announced yet)
> and others are in the works. There were a lot of discussions at the
> KCIX table about how these exchanges coming into KC would affect the
> local peering. The answer seems to be, "Not at all." The use cases
> between local peering and remote peering are different enough that they
> can coexist without market dilution.
>
> In the future, I believe IXs will be seen more like mini, focused ISPs
> used by organizations looking to branch out closer to the edge where
> their customers are concentrated.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
> On 3/24/2022 11:53 PM, Reid Fishler wrote:
> > The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the
> > exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where
> > this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone
> > wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in
> > South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to
> > get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are
> > just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of
> > global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am
> > NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much
> > in the other direction.
> >
> > Reid
> >
> >
> > Reid
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > I completely agree that the number of people who know very little
> > about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal
> > with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board
> > because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the
> > people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many
> > reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it
> > mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain
> > granular control?
> >
> > *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> > Behalf Of *Reid Fishler
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:12 PM
> > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
> >
> > The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are
> > buying these peering services that don't always know what they
> > are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its
> > not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes
> > it's networks that DON'T know.
> >
> > Reid
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I understand the point a little better now. I would say it
> > depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional
> > ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge
> > disincentive because they market themselves based on how
> > close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that
> > are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google
> > would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less
> > about the added latency (assuming no loss).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Richard Laager
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
> >
> > On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> > > As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen
> > the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the
> > core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was
> > for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
> >
> > I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The
> > concern, or at
> > least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE
> > extension in city
> > X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in
> > city X can
> > get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it
> > may create
> > a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
> >
> > Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
> >
> > --
> > Richard
> >
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