The Japanese IX's extend to IIX's in the US as well (LA and NY). I believe
that AMSIX does as well, and LINX maybe? And then there are the things like
Console Connect, Packet Exchange, etc.
Reid
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 2:48 PM Aaron Wendel <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I've run some numbers on IX.br and I haven't been able to make them work
> yet... yet... :)
>
> DE-CIX Frankfurt is accessible from the DE-CIX NY switch in KC.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On 3/25/2022 1:22 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> >
> > Precisely why I am a fan of something in the middle. The minimum
> > requirements will weed out the silly proposals and save time/effort.
> > The public discussion will bring up issues that should be considered,
> > and then the board can take the discussion, and use it to make a
> > decision. With this being said I would say if the minimums were met,
> > and there was no discussion, it should just be rubber stamped by the
> > board. There are plenty of people who know a lot about BGP/networking
> > on this list so there are plenty of opportunities to bring potential
> > issues to light.
> >
> > I have thought a lot about running an extension switch in Minneapolis
> > for an IX outside of North America. When you run the cost/benefit it
> > just does not make any sense. I think those things would come to
> > light in the public discussion phase. My personal opinion is anything
> > outside of North America just does not make sense for the “Midwest”.
> > The only reason that Cogent’s product does not fall on its face is
> > because it does not need to stand on its own. If Cogent was not
> > already in those locations with their other services, it would never
> > have made it out of the gate. Marketing is probably the only thing
> > keeping it alive.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf
> > Of *Reid Fishler
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:53 PM
> > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
> >
> > The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the
> > exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where
> > this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone
> > wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in
> > South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to
> > get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are
> > just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of
> > global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am
> > NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much
> > in the other direction.
> >
> > Reid
> >
> > Reid
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > I completely agree that the number of people who know very little
> > about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal
> > with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board
> > because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the
> > people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many
> > reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it
> > mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain
> > granular control?
> >
> > *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> > Behalf Of *Reid Fishler
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:12 PM
> > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
> >
> > The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are
> > buying these peering services that don't always know what they
> > are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its
> > not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes
> > it's networks that DON'T know.
> >
> > Reid
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I understand the point a little better now. I would say it
> > depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional
> > ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge
> > disincentive because they market themselves based on how
> > close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that
> > are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google
> > would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less
> > about the added latency (assuming no loss).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Richard Laager
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
> >
> > On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> > > As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen
> > the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the
> > core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was
> > for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
> >
> > I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The
> > concern, or at
> > least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE
> > extension in city
> > X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in
> > city X can
> > get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it
> > may create
> > a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
> >
> > Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
> >
> > --
> > Richard
> >
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