I was told that I needed 5 "quality" networks committed before I could
get approval. That requirement is now on the MICE website as well. I
have the following networks committed but I'm not sure if they qualify
as the kind of networks the board is looking for.
AS50058 August Internet
AS34927 IFOG GMBH
AS13737 INCX Global, LLC
AS11708 KCFiber
AS32097 Wholesale Internet
AS14004 NOCIX
AS55241 Xtracts
AS17019 UnReal Servers
5 of these are on our SIX extension already and all are (obviously) KCIX
peers. I haven't officially submitted this list to the board as I got
sidetracked getting SIX online since that had some logistical
challenges. (If you want cheap transport from KC to Seattle, Sprint is
the way to go.) Now that it's live, I'd like to revisit the MICE
extension so you're email is very timely.
Aaron
On 5/6/2022 1:02 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
>
> I wanted to see where this ended up. The public discussion has been
> open for a very long time. I would assume anyone who was going to
> chime in by now would have. What has the board decided on?
>
> *From:*Jeremy Lumby [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 1:22 PM
> *To:* MICE Discuss
> *Subject:* RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> Precisely why I am a fan of something in the middle. The minimum
> requirements will weed out the silly proposals and save time/effort.
> The public discussion will bring up issues that should be considered,
> and then the board can take the discussion, and use it to make a
> decision. With this being said I would say if the minimums were met,
> and there was no discussion, it should just be rubber stamped by the
> board. There are plenty of people who know a lot about BGP/networking
> on this list so there are plenty of opportunities to bring potential
> issues to light.
>
> I have thought a lot about running an extension switch in Minneapolis
> for an IX outside of North America. When you run the cost/benefit it
> just does not make any sense. I think those things would come to
> light in the public discussion phase. My personal opinion is anything
> outside of North America just does not make sense for the “Midwest”.
> The only reason that Cogent’s product does not fall on its face is
> because it does not need to stand on its own. If Cogent was not
> already in those locations with their other services, it would never
> have made it out of the gate. Marketing is probably the only thing
> keeping it alive.
>
> Jeremy
>
> *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf
> Of *Reid Fishler
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:53 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the
> exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where
> this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone
> wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in
> South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to
> get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are
> just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of
> global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am
> NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much
> in the other direction.
>
> Reid
>
> Reid
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I completely agree that the number of people who know very little
> about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal
> with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board
> because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the
> people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many
> reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it
> mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain
> granular control?
>
> *From:*MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *Reid Fishler
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:12 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are
> buying these peering services that don't always know what they
> are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its
> not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes
> it's networks that DON'T know.
>
> Reid
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I understand the point a little better now. I would say it
> depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional
> ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge
> disincentive because they market themselves based on how
> close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that
> are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google
> would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less
> about the added latency (assuming no loss).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Richard Laager
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Remote Switch Policy
>
> On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> > As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen
> the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the
> core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was
> for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
>
> I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The
> concern, or at
> least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE
> extension in city
> X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in
> city X can
> get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it
> may create
> a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
>
> Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
>
> --
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