I wanted to see where this ended up. The public discussion has been open for a very long time. I would assume anyone who was going to chime in by now would have. What has the board decided on?
From: Jeremy Lumby [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 1:22 PM
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Precisely why I am a fan of something in the middle. The minimum requirements will weed out the silly proposals and save time/effort. The public discussion will bring up issues that should be considered, and then the board can take the discussion, and use it to make a decision. With this being said I would say if the minimums were met, and there was no discussion, it should just be rubber stamped by the board. There are plenty of people who know a lot about BGP/networking on this list so there are plenty of opportunities to bring potential issues to light.
I have thought a lot about running an extension switch in Minneapolis for an IX outside of North America. When you run the cost/benefit it just does not make any sense. I think those things would come to light in the public discussion phase. My personal opinion is anything outside of North America just does not make sense for the “Midwest”. The only reason that Cogent’s product does not fall on its face is because it does not need to stand on its own. If Cogent was not already in those locations with their other services, it would never have made it out of the gate. Marketing is probably the only thing keeping it alive.
Jeremy
From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler
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The answer is somewhere in the middle. We do whats best for the exchange, and for the internet in general. There are MANY things where this is what was done by the community. Honest question...if someone wants to put an extension in Rio, Brazil, do we let them? How about in South Africa? Is there a line? An exchange has a purpose, and thats to get everyone local to each other, on one fabric...otherwise we are just making Cogents IX thing they sell, or any one of the number of global fabrics. At SOME point we need to say enough is enough. I am NOT saying we are there yet, but to allow EVERYTHING is a bit too much in the other direction.
Reid
Reid
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I completely agree that the number of people who know very little about BGP is growing quickly, the real question is how do you deal with this problem. Do you not permit things across the board because of this, meaning that the opportunity is lost for the people that understand what they are doing? Or do you put as many reasonable precautions in place so that when someone screws up, it mostly just impacts them, and all of the other members maintain granular control?
From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler
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The issue is there are going to be more and more networks that are buying these peering services that don't always know what they are... Either by services, or because 'someone told me to'... Its not always those in the know that buy these things... Sometimes it's networks that DON'T know.
Reid
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:04 PM Jeremy Lumby <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I understand the point a little better now. I would say it depends on the specific type of CDN. The more traditional ones like Cloudflare and Akamai it would not be a huge disincentive because they market themselves based on how close/low latency they are to the end user. Other CDNs that are delivering more of their own content like Netflix/Google would be more grateful for the free transport, and care less about the added latency (assuming no loss).
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From: MICE Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:46 PM
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On 3/24/22 18:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote:
> As for a disincentive for CDN's to connect, I have only seen the opposite. Most CDN's will only accept a connection to the core. The only time I have seen them connect to a remote was for a secondary connection to gain switch diversity.
I wasn't talking about CDNs connecting to remotes. The concern, or at
least how I understood it, was: Imagine we put a MICE extension in city
X. In the immediate term, that's great, as now networks in city X can
get content from Minneapolis CDNs. But in the longer-term, it may create
a disincentive for CDNs to go to city X.
Counter-point: Whether CDNs come to city X is not our problem.
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